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    <title>MaplePrimes - comments on Post, simultaneous sine functions</title>
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    <description>The latest comments added to the Post, simultaneous sine functions</description>
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      <title>Straightforward</title>
      <link>http://www.mapleprimes.com/posts/42356-Simultaneous-Sine-Functions?ref=Feed:MaplePrimes:simultaneous sine functions:Comments#comment79242</link>
      <itunes:summary>It seems as if your system can be solved without tricks, &lt;pre&gt;t[1],t[2],t[4],t[6]:=0,delta,t[3]+delta,t[5]+delta:
u1:=(t[2]-t[1])+(t[4]-t[3])+(t[6]-t[5])=U/2:
delta:=solve(u1,delta):
eq1:=expand(add((-1)^(i+1)*cos(omega*t[i]),i=1..6)=0):
eq2:=expand(add((-1)^(i+1)*sin(omega*t[i]),i=1..6)=0):
eq3:=expand(add((-1)^(i+1)*cos(r*omega*t[i]),i=1..6)=0):
eq4:=expand(add((-1)^(i+1)*sin(r*omega*t[i]),i=1..6)=0):
_EnvAllSolutions:=true:
_EnvExplicit:=true:
s:=solve({eq1,eq2,eq3,eq4},{t[3],t[5],r});

            12 Pi _Z1~         2/3 Pi + 2 Pi _Z4~
  s := {r = ----------, t[5] = ------------------,
             omega U                 omega

               -2/3 Pi + 2 Pi _Z6~        12 Pi _Z1~
        t[3] = -------------------}, {r = ----------,
                      omega                omega U

               -2/3 Pi + 2 Pi _Z4~         2/3 Pi + 2 Pi _Z6~
        t[5] = -------------------, t[3] = ------------------}
                      omega                      omega
&lt;/pre&gt;Note, that both solutions satisfy condition &lt;code&gt; r*&amp;omega;*U/12/Pi = an integer&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;pre&gt;about(_Z1,_Z4,_Z6);

Originally _Z1, renamed _Z1~:
  is assumed to be: integer

Originally _Z4, renamed _Z4~:
  is assumed to be: integer

Originally _Z6, renamed _Z6~:
  is assumed to be: integer&lt;/pre&gt;Substituting integer values for _Zs, we obtain 2 series of solutions, for example, &lt;pre&gt;s1:=eval(s,[_Z1=1,_Z4=1,_Z6=1]);

              12 Pi           8 Pi            4 Pi
  s1 := {r = -------, t[5] = -------, t[3] = -------},
             omega U         3 omega         3 omega

              12 Pi           4 Pi            8 Pi
        {r = -------, t[5] = -------, t[3] = -------}
             omega U         3 omega         3 omega

eval([eq1,eq2,eq3,eq4],s1[1]);

                     [0 = 0, 0 = 0, 0 = 0, 0 = 0]&lt;/pre&gt;

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Alec Mihailovs 
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      <description>The latest comments added to the Post, simultaneous sine functions</description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:53:02 Z</pubDate>
      <itunes:author>alec</itunes:author>
      <author>alec</author>
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      <title>Thanks, but</title>
      <link>http://www.mapleprimes.com/posts/42356-Simultaneous-Sine-Functions?ref=Feed:MaplePrimes:simultaneous sine functions:Comments#comment79241</link>
      <itunes:summary>In SOLVE command,
Why do you include the variable r?
Is there any way to use the following 
command instead of your command?

s1: = solve({eq1,eq2,eq3,eq4},{t[3],t[5]});

Could you explain why you use "r" variable
which is positive real?

Thank you in Smoking Section.

Y-G Sung</itunes:summary>
      <description>The latest comments added to the Post, simultaneous sine functions</description>
      <guid>79241</guid>
      <pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:34:10 Z</pubDate>
      <itunes:author>sungyg</itunes:author>
      <author>sungyg</author>
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      <title>Well</title>
      <link>http://www.mapleprimes.com/posts/42356-Simultaneous-Sine-Functions?ref=Feed:MaplePrimes:simultaneous sine functions:Comments#comment86260</link>
      <itunes:summary>Well, one of r, U, or &amp;omega; has to be added to t[3] and t[5] -because of the restriction that I mentioned - solutions exist only if &lt;em&gt; r&amp;omega;U/(12&amp;pi;)&lt;/em&gt; is an integer. Otherwise, solve won't give an answer.

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      <description>The latest comments added to the Post, simultaneous sine functions</description>
      <guid>86260</guid>
      <pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:43:19 Z</pubDate>
      <itunes:author>alec</itunes:author>
      <author>alec</author>
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      <title>Thanks a lot, Dr.</title>
      <link>http://www.mapleprimes.com/posts/42356-Simultaneous-Sine-Functions?ref=Feed:MaplePrimes:simultaneous sine functions:Comments#comment90906</link>
      <itunes:summary>Thanks a lot, Dr. Alec.
However, I try to get the same answer as yours
by setting up the equations. Here is my code.
I think that s2 should be the same as s1.
Please tell me why it does not give me the same results.

Thank you

Sung

restart:
t[1] := 0:t[2] := delta:t[4] := t[3]+delta:t[6] := t[5]+delta:
u1 := t[2]-t[1]+t[4]-t[3]+t[6]-t[5] = 1/2*U:
delta := solve(u1, delta):
eq1 := expand(sum((-1)^(i+1)*cos(omega*t[i]), i = 1 .. 6) = 0):
eq2 := expand(sum((-1)^(i+1)*sin(omega*t[i]), i = 1 .. 6) = 0):
eq3 := expand(sum((-1)^(i+1)*cos(r*omega*t[i]), i = 1 .. 6) = 0):
eq4 := expand(sum((-1)^(i+1)*sin(r*omega*t[i]), i = 1 .. 6) = 0):
_EnvAllSolutions := true:
_EnvExplicit := true:
s1:=solve({eq1, eq2, eq3, eq4}, {r, t[3], t[5]});
trs1 := simplify(eq1*sin(omega*delta)+eq2*(1-cos(omega*delta))):
trs2 := simplify(eq3*sin(r*omega*delta)+eq4*(1-cos(r*omega*delta))):
rs1 := factor(trs1):
rs2 := factor(trs2):
s2:=solve({rs2, rs1}, {r, t[3], t[5]});



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      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:38:23 Z</pubDate>
      <itunes:author>sungyg</itunes:author>
      <author>sungyg</author>
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      <title>The systems are not equivalent</title>
      <link>http://www.mapleprimes.com/posts/42356-Simultaneous-Sine-Functions?ref=Feed:MaplePrimes:simultaneous sine functions:Comments#comment90907</link>
      <itunes:summary>The system {rs1,rs2} in addition to solutions of the system {eq1,eq2,eq3,eq4} has other solutions. For example, when the lhs of the first term of trs1 equals minus lhs of the second term, and similarly for trs2, and these lhs' are not necessarily zeros, or even when they are zeros, it could be because of cos(&amp;omega;*&amp;delta;)=cos(r*&amp;omega;*&amp;delta;)=1 independently of values of eq1, eq2, eq3, and eq4.  

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      <description>The latest comments added to the Post, simultaneous sine functions</description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:13:10 Z</pubDate>
      <itunes:author>Alec Mihailovs</itunes:author>
      <author>Alec Mihailovs</author>
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