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Bernoulli first order ode has form as show in wikipedia  and also on Maple own site as

Notice that it is P(x)*y above and not P(x)* y^(-1) so the y(x) must be linear in that term.   But when I give Maple this ode

ode:=diff(y(x),x) + x*y(x)^(-1)= y(x)^(-1);

Which is clearly not of the form above, it solves it as Bernoulli.  In the above ode, P(x) is x and Q(x) is 1 and n is -1.

The ode advisor correctly said it is separable. But trace shows it used Bernoulli. Also when asking it to solve it as Bernoulli, it does.

What Am I missing here?  Is it not wrong for Maple to use Bernoulli method on this ode which is not Bernoulli?

Worksheet below

interface(version);

`Standard Worksheet Interface, Maple 2024.1, Windows 10, June 25 2024 Build ID 1835466`

Physics:-Version();

`The "Physics Updates" version in the MapleCloud is 1805 and is the same as the version installed in this computer, created 2024, September 3, 11:35 hours Pacific Time.`

libname;

"C:\Users\Owner\maple\toolbox\2024\Physics Updates\lib", "C:\Program Files\Maple 2024\lib"

restart;

ode:=diff(y(x),x) + x*y(x)^(-1)= y(x)^(-1);
IC:=y(1) = 0;
DEtools:-odeadvisor(ode);

diff(y(x), x)+x/y(x) = 1/y(x)

y(1) = 0

[_separable]

infolevel[dsolve]:=5;

5

dsolve(ode,y(x));  #why this says it solved it as Bernoulli ?

Methods for first order ODEs:

--- Trying classification methods ---

trying a quadrature

trying 1st order linear

trying Bernoulli

<- Bernoulli successful

y(x) = (-x^2+c__1+2*x)^(1/2), y(x) = -(-x^2+c__1+2*x)^(1/2)

dsolve(ode,y(x),[Bernoulli])

Classification methods on request

Methods to be used are: [Bernoulli]

----------------------------

* Tackling ODE using method: Bernoulli

--- Trying classification methods ---

trying Bernoulli

<- Bernoulli successful

y(x) = (-x^2+c__1+2*x)^(1/2), y(x) = -(-x^2+c__1+2*x)^(1/2)

 

 

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I wanted to change  eq:= 1/2 * sqrt(-2*lambda)  to 1/2 %* sqrt(-2*lambda)  using a rule.

It works outside of rule ofcourse. But when I put %* in the RHS of the rule, maple hangs. It seems it is going into infinite loop.

I tried the trick of using '%*' but this gives syntax error.

Same problem happens when using %. and not just %*

Is there a workaround?

Attached worksheet. Make sure to save all work before trying it.
 

interface(version);

`Standard Worksheet Interface, Maple 2024.1, Windows 10, June 25 2024 Build ID 1835466`

Physics:-Version()

`The "Physics Updates" version in the MapleCloud is 1804. The version installed in this computer is 1802 created 2024, September 3, 11:35 hours Pacific Time, found in the directory C:\Users\Owner\maple\toolbox\2024\Physics Updates\lib\`

libname;

"C:\Users\Owner\maple\toolbox\2024\Physics Updates\lib", "C:\Program Files\Maple 2024\lib"

restart;

eq:= 1/2 * sqrt(-2*lambda)

(1/2)*(-2*lambda)^(1/2)

eq:= 1/2 %. sqrt(-2*lambda); #no problem

`%.`(1/2, (-2*lambda)^(1/2))

eq:= 1/2 %* sqrt(-2*lambda); #no problem

`%*`(1/2, (-2*lambda)^(1/2))

restart;

eq:= 1/2 * sqrt(-2*lambda)

(1/2)*(-2*lambda)^(1/2)

applyrule(sqrt(x::anything)/y::anything = 1/y %. sqrt(x),eq); #why this hangs?

 

restart;

eq:= 1/2 * sqrt(-2*lambda)

(1/2)*(-2*lambda)^(1/2)

applyrule(sqrt(x::anything)/y::anything = 1/y %* sqrt(x),eq); #why this hangs?

 


 

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This is an excersise in one of Mathematica's tutorials. The problem is to find from all persumtations of [1,2,3,4] those lists which has 2 in them before 3.

But the idea is that 2 can be anywhere before the 3, with possibly zero or more numbers between.

Will show how to do this in that other software, and ask if there is a way using Maple pattern matching or better way to do this in Maple better than what I did.

L=Permutations[{1,2,3,4}]
Cases[L,{___,2,___,3,___}]

gives

{{1, 2, 3, 4}, {1, 2, 4, 3}, {1, 4, 2, 3}, {2, 1, 3, 4}, 
{2, 1, 4,  3}, {2, 3, 1, 4}, {2, 3, 4, 1}, {2, 4, 1, 3}, 
{2, 4, 3, 1}, {4, 1,  2, 3}, {4, 2, 1, 3}, {4, 2, 3, 1}}

We see in all of the above, 2 is before 3.

In that other software, the ___ means there is zero or more things.  I could not find how to do this in Maple's pattern matching. So had to use has and then find the index of 2 and 3 in each list and check if the index of 2 is smaller than the index of 3. Which is kinda awakard and not as elegent as using a pattern, but it gives same result.

L:=combinat:-permute([1,2,3,4]);
map(X->`if`(has(X,2) and has(X,3) and ListTools:-Search(2,X)<ListTools:-Search(3,X),X,NULL) ,L);

Gives

[[1, 2, 3, 4], [1, 2, 4, 3], [1, 4, 2, 3], [2, 1, 3, 4], 
[2, 1, 4, 3], [2, 3, 1, 4], [2, 3, 4, 1], [2, 4, 1, 3], 
[2, 4, 3, 1], [4, 1, 2, 3], [4, 2, 1, 3], [4, 2, 3, 1]]

Can you suggest a way using either patmatch or applyrules in Maple to do the same?  

Could this be done easier than what I did using evalindents without the need for pattern?

I find patterns easier to work with myself.

ps. converting each list to string, and then using regular expression or string matching, is not what I am looking for. 

ps. the check in Maple code of has(X,2) and has(X,3) is not really needed here, since we know each list will have 2 and 3 in them. But I kept these to make it more general for other type of problems where these extra checks might be needed.

applyrule is useful but seems limited. I can't do operation such as expand in the RHS of the rule.

For example, I wanted to applyrule that says to take sin(x::anything) and change it to cos(expand(x)), but it does not expand x. 

It seems because in the RHS of the rule, at the instance applyrule sees expand, x remains a symbol and not evaluated. So there is nothing to expand. It gets evaluated at later time, but by then too late for expand to do anything, it is gone. Just a guess.

But is there a trick to allow one to do more things in RHS of applyrule, such as expand or simplify? This would make applyrule much more useful. Otherwise, as it is, applyrule is of limited use. 

I know I can use evalindets ofcourse for this. 

#expand does not work in RHS of applyrule
e1:=sin(2*sqrt(a*b)*(t+mu));
applyrule( sin(x::anything) = cos(expand(x)), e1);

sin(2*(a*b)^(1/2)*(t+mu))

cos(2*(a*b)^(1/2)*(t+mu))

#but other operations worksheetdir
e1:=sin(2*sqrt(a*b)*(t+mu));
applyrule( sin(x::anything) = cos(x^2), e1);

sin(2*(a*b)^(1/2)*(t+mu))

cos(4*a*b*(t+mu)^2)

expand(2*sqrt(a*b)*(t+mu))

2*(a*b)^(1/2)*t+2*(a*b)^(1/2)*mu

#I could do this ofcourse
evalindets(e1,'specfunc'(sin),X->sin(expand(op(1,X))));

sin(2*(a*b)^(1/2)*t+2*(a*b)^(1/2)*mu)

 

 

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Using other software, there is no such problem using other operations on RHS of a rule

You see, expand worked on RHS of rule. 

I'd like to do same thing using applyrule in Maple. Is there a trick to allow this?

Maple 2024.1

I was trying to odetest one of my solutions to this ode when I got this internal Maple error I have not seen before.

Is this a legitimate error? my solution could be wrong ofcourse but strange to get internal error in this case.

Does this happen on earlier versions of Maple?

interface(version);

`Standard Worksheet Interface, Maple 2024.1, Windows 10, June 25 2024 Build ID 1835466`

Physics:-Version();

`The "Physics Updates" version in the MapleCloud is 1798 and is the same as the version installed in this computer, created 2024, August 29, 14:22 hours Pacific Time.`

libname;

"C:\Users\Owner\maple\toolbox\2024\Physics Updates\lib", "C:\Program Files\Maple 2024\lib"

restart;

sol:=Intat(1/(u^n/((1/((a*g(x)+b)^n)/(f(x)^n)*diff(g(x),x)*f(x))^(-n-1))/((f(x)*diff(g(x),x))^(-2*n+1))/((1/((a*g(x)+b)^n)/(f(x)^n)*diff(g(x),x)*f(x)*(diff(f(x),x)*diff(g(x),x)+f(x)*diff(diff(g(x),x),x))-(-1/((a*g(x)+b)^n)/(f(x)^n)*diff(g(x),x)^2*f(x)*n*a/(a*g(x)+b)-1/((a*g(x)+b)^n)/(f(x)^n)*diff(g(x),x)*n*diff(f(x),x)+1/((a*g(x)+b)^n)/(f(x)^n)*diff(diff(g(x),x),x)*f(x)+1/((a*g(x)+b)^n)/(f(x)^n)*diff(g(x),x)*diff(f(x),x))*f(x)*diff(g(x),x)-f(x)*diff(f(x),x)/((a*g(x)+b)^n)/(f(x)^n)*diff(g(x),x)^2*n)^n)/(n^(-n))-u+1),u = a/f(x)/(a*g(x)+b)*y(x))-ln(a*g(x)+b)+_C1 = 0;

Intat(1/(u^n/(((diff(g(x), x))*f(x)/((a*g(x)+b)^n*f(x)^n))^(-n-1)*(f(x)*(diff(g(x), x)))^(-2*n+1)*((diff(g(x), x))*f(x)*((diff(f(x), x))*(diff(g(x), x))+f(x)*(diff(diff(g(x), x), x)))/((a*g(x)+b)^n*f(x)^n)-(-(diff(g(x), x))^2*f(x)*n*a/((a*g(x)+b)^n*f(x)^n*(a*g(x)+b))-(diff(g(x), x))*n*(diff(f(x), x))/((a*g(x)+b)^n*f(x)^n)+(diff(diff(g(x), x), x))*f(x)/((a*g(x)+b)^n*f(x)^n)+(diff(g(x), x))*(diff(f(x), x))/((a*g(x)+b)^n*f(x)^n))*f(x)*(diff(g(x), x))-f(x)*(diff(f(x), x))*(diff(g(x), x))^2*n/((a*g(x)+b)^n*f(x)^n))^n*n^(-n))-u+1), u = a*y(x)/(f(x)*(a*g(x)+b)))-ln(a*g(x)+b)+_C1 = 0

ode:=diff(y(x),x)-f(x)^(1-n)*diff(g(x),x)*y(x)^n/((a*g(x)+b)^n)-diff(f(x),x)*y(x)/f(x)-f(x)*diff(g(x),x) = 0;

diff(y(x), x)-f(x)^(1-n)*(diff(g(x), x))*y(x)^n/(a*g(x)+b)^n-(diff(f(x), x))*y(x)/f(x)-f(x)*(diff(g(x), x)) = 0

odetest(sol,ode,y(x));

Error, (in PDEtools/NumerDenom) invalid input: PDEtools/NumerDenom expects its 1st argument, ee, to be of type Or(algebraic,table,rtable), but received {Intat(1/(u^n*(f(x)^(1-n)*diff(g(x),x)*(a*g(x)+b)^(-n))^n*(f(x)*diff(g(x),x))^(2*n)*n^n-u*(a*g(x)+b)^n*f(x)^n*(a*n*f(x)^(2-n)*diff(g(x),x)^3*(a*g(x)+b)^(-n-1))^n+(a*g(x)+b)^n*f(x)^n*(a*n*f(x)^(2-n)*diff(g(x),x)^3*(a*g(x)+b)^(-n-1))^n),u = _Z) = Intat(1/(u^n*(f(x)^(1-n)*diff(g(x),x)*(a*g(x)+b)^(-n))^n*(f(x)*diff(g(x),x))^(2*n)*n^n-u*(a*g(x)+b)^n*f(x)^n*(a*n*f(x)^(2-n)*diff(g(x),x)^3*(a*g(x)+b)^(-n-1))^n+(a*g(x)+b)^n*f(x)^n*(a*n*f(x)^(2-n)*diff(g(x),x)^3*(a*g(x)+b)^(-n-1))^n),u = _Z)}

 

 

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