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@Kitonum I don't doubt that you are right, so I vote up.

I was answering the Question body as asked, and over-hastily discounted the title entirely as "parametrics" is an awkward construct that I wouldn't normally expect to see (and he hadn't yet posted his later Question about arrows and parametric curves). Not the first time I've made that flavor of mistake.

[edited] Upon further reflection, I retract my concession above. It would be a perfectly fine question to ask whether the path of a moving object (parametrized by time, say) intersected with the path of another at the same time value. A sensible question could be whether they are ever in the same place at the same time, in which case the original formulation is ok. So far, the OP has not provided any clear indication whether the question is about whether two parametrized curves ever cross, or whether they ever cross at the same parameter value(s).

It could well be that Kitonum's interpretation happens to be correct. But there is, so far, not evidence that it must be so.

@Glowing Yes, I know it is possible to create very advanced computations, highly "modularized" (encapsulation being achieved procedures or modules) that allow for multiple computations and re-use with varying parameter values. People do it often with Maple, with the procedure/modules sometimes stored within the worksheet or workbook, or in standalone plaintext .mpl files, or stored in .mla Library archives. Maple has a great deal of robust machinery for accomplishing that.

I deliberately avoided mention the command DocumentTools[RunWorksheet] before, because I think that it is the wrong way to solve this kind of problem. It's not nearly as computationally efficient, nor nearly as robust, as the other things mentioned. It fosters the existence of suboptimally organized worksheets.

@DanielRe Here is a minor revision which utilizes uses statements within the procedure bodies, instead of calling with at the top level (or calling with inside the procedures, as in your original, which is problematic).


I had another look at plots:-dualaxisplot, and noticed that it doesn't seem to allow the two vertical axes to get their own separate legends, using separate legendstyle and location options. I find that a pity, since it is often not obvious which curve relates to which vertical axis. The earlier worksheet I uploaded used two vertical axis labels, which corresponded to the two legend items, whose colored lines corresponded to the two colored curves. But that requires one's sight to bounce between three things, which I find suboptimal. Here's one example:

In this new attachment I've tried to use a color shading of the vertical axes, and axes labels, to get a visual cue that only requires switching one's sight between two things.

This is basic programming. If you've written several hundred lines of code without organizing the flow by using procedures, and you want it to be re-usable in the sense of varying parameter values, then you've gone wrong.

That's true in every effective modern programming language, not just Maple (though the implementation and naming of "procedure" varies, of course).

Once the code is organized well it should be straightforward to re-use it like you want.

It is not very helpful to not supply the code in an uploaded worksheet here. A few hundred lines is not long.

(ps. I am not trying to sound harsh. This is not a rare situation. And with the material provided there's a good chance that you can get help with it.)

You've forgotten to show the examples of calling your procedure. You didn't show us what its argument would be.

Look, upload a worksheet that provides all the code to reproduce both plots of which you write. Use the green up-arrow in the Mapleprimes editor to upload (and don't forget to actually Insert it from the popup dialog, and click its OK button).

You should not call with from within a proc. It'd be better to have your procedure return an expression sequence of both plots, instead of printing them.

@mehdi jafari What is wrong is that your syntax is incorrect. Here is the call to int from your second example.

'int((exp(-32.74123792568-0.8916456579806e-1*ln(4.852623952*10^9*v^2)), numeric)
     *exp(-v^2/(2*T))*v^3, v = 2 .. 100)';

int((exp(-32.74123792568-0.8916456579806e-1*ln(4852623952.*v^2)), numeric)*exp(-(1/2)*v^2/T)*v^3, v = 2 .. 100)


The integrand that you entered has an expression sequence multiplied by a call to exp. What is that supposed to mean?

You write that you, "put numeric option in the middle of the integration". Do you really believe that putting an option word in the middle of a multiplication, as part of an expression sequence, makes sense?

The expression sequence is done in by `simplify`, where simplify((a,b)*c) returns a*c. I might call that GIGO.

How could the integral be computed numerically with the integrand depending on the unassigned name T?

How do the expressions for assigned to M, Mc, Nc, V, and Vc contribute? Were they used for the procedures H,L,G,K? It might help us, if you made your process more clear. Don't ever copy & paste. How did you arrive at the expressions inside thse procedures? Are you sure that those procedures' are correct, and you didn't omit anything (like plus signs for addition, etc)?

Have you tried using rationals instead of floats like 0.5?  How about using evalc, Re, and Im (perhaps on numerators and denominators of the longer combinations) and do simplification? It may benefit. And then you could consider writing it as a larger DE.

I suggest that you uses Tools->Options from the main menubar and change the following pair of related GUI preferences:

 - Under the Display tab, change the drop-menu item Input display to Maple Notation for input (ie. 1D plaintext) instead of 2D Math Notation (ie. marked up typeset math, aka 2D Input)

 - Under the Interface tab, change the Default format for new worksheets to Worksheet (ie. execution groups, which should seem more familiar) instead of Document (ie. paragraphs and document blocks).

Then hit the Apply Globally button in the popup dialog.

There have been many reports over the years on this site of users tripping up on 2D Input, partly because it's buggy and partly because it's not WYSIWYG. Really , they are two different languages, with different parsing rules, bugs aside. Having a space denote multiplication implicitly is a common issue. It's even worse if you get implicit multiplication without a visible space.

Adjusting the two preferences above makes the Java GUI behave more like the old (Classic) GUI from pre-2000.

@Rariusz Ok thanks. I am hoping that by also utilizing a smoothing of the diff(theta(t),t) data I can get an even better fit to the theta(t) data. By this I mean a weighting in the objective, for the raw theta(t) data alongside smoothed diff(theta(t),t) data.

I'll let you know when I get to report something. Perhaps tomorrow.

I still think that it might help significantly to know a ballpark for the frequency of the simulated i(t). In the absence of such knowledge I may try using an additional, moderate penalty against a higher frequency i(t).

@Rariusz Thank you. I hope that you can understand why your latest reponse contains the details which ought to have been provided originally.

As is not uncommon for such kinds of nonlinear optimization problem with an oscillatory aspect, there are many local minima which are "close" to globally optimal for some reasonable objective metrics. That might be a problem.

So, in just a few minutes a worksheet of mine produces a similar plot for ode_x2 which compares quite closely to your simulation, for a fit to the theta(t) data from the third column. It uses a continuous approximation for V(t) using the data from the second column. It took me about 15 minutes to write.

But... depending on the run, and depending on the ranges I supply for the parameters, I can get several sets of results for the parameters. All produce a reasonable fit (plot) for the simulation of theta(t) and diff(theta(t),t). But the frequency of oscillation of the simulated i(t) varies a great deal, from slow to very fast.

If there is some physical reason (constraints on the motor design, etc) why a low/medium/high frequency of oscillation is needed for the simulated i(t) , or some tighter ranges for the parameters, then now would be a great time to mention it.

Additionally, it's not clear whether you need to match the highly/fast varying data for diff(theta(t),t) with a highly varying/fast simulation of that dependent quantity, or whether you would be satisfied with a a simulation that approximated a smoothed curve of that data (fourth column).

What kinds of entries does the Matrix have? (eg. floats, integers, rationals, symbolic expressions?)

For floating-point entries, done right, it can take about a second (depending on your machine, of course) at hardware double precision.

How fast do you need it to be? How accurate? Is the Matrix dense?

ps. A 600-by-600 Matrix is 2-dimensional, and not "high-dimension". It is not small, but it has only two dimensions.

@Kitonum This person has not yet figured out how to tell us which old version he's using, despite posting many questions on this site where the version affects the answer.

I'm trying to get this straight, and sorry if I'm being dense.

Is this right:
 - The second column represents values for V(t) at the corresponding data values
    in the first column (ie, t). An interpolating function formed from these data values
    could be used as a known function in the dsolve call (where the OP originally has just V).
 - The goal is the find values for parameters J,b,K,R,L such that the numeric
    dsolve solution procedure assigned to ode_x2 will fit the data values in the third
    column (ie, theta(t)).

If that is correct, then what does the i(t) (for which a procedure in the dsolve return is assigned by the OP to ode_x1) represent, and does it correspond to anything in the supplied data? Is there some quantitaive or qualitative goal for ode_x1 at the optimal parameter values?

Is the fourth column of data supposed to come into the objective function (eg, fit to the diff(theta(t),t) from the dsolve procedure, by contributing to the objective)?

What are permissible ranges for the five parameters?

@radaar If you change the assignment to y:=copy(x) and add return y as a new last statement then you don't get the result you showed.

If you simply add a new last statement return copy(y) , and leave the assignment y:=x as it was originally, then you get the results you showed.

The distinction is in whether you want the ensuing min/max examination and replacement to take place on the copy of x, or to be done in-place on x itself.

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